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    September 28, 2010
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09/27/10 09/27/10 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] >> from pacifica, this is "democracy now!" >> it is a proud time for all of us as colombians. i want to share with all of you this infinite luck, to have my children next to me after seven years of not sing them. >> after more thanix years of captivity, being held hostage by
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colombian rebel group farc, former colombian presidential candidate ingrid betancourt was released in july 2008. she has just published a memoir "even silence has an end: my six years of captivity in the colombian jungle." we will speak with her to go first, the fbi raids eight homes and offices of anti-war activists in chicago and minneapolis. >> they wanted to see things related to trips to colombia and the middle east and related to the antiwar committee. >> we have done nothing wrong. [applause] on the other hand, the fbi asked today as they have always acted, to intimidate and disrupt the anti-war movement in the movement for peace and justice. >> we will be joined by two of the activists whose homes were raided, jess sundin of minneapolis and joe isobaer of
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chicago. will speak with former fbi special agents coleen rowley. all of that and more coming up. this is "democracy now!," democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the obama administration has urged a federal judge to throw out a lawsuit challenging the administration's assertion that it and assassinate u.s. citizens anywhere in the world. earlier this year, the obama administration authorized the cia to capture or kill anwar al loti, an american-born cleric who is believed to be hiding in yemen. with the help of the american civil liberties union and the center for constitutional rights, his father asked a federal judge to issue an injunction and force the administration to publicly reveal its criteria for determining who can be assassinated. in court papers filed on friday, the obama administration asked the court to dismiss a lawsuit without hearing the merits of the claims citing state secrets.
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the aclu and center for constitutional rights criticized the obama administration's stance. in a statement, the group said -- a military tribunal will begin today for the first of 12 u.s. soldiers accused of forming a secret kill team that allegedly blew up and shot afghan civilians at random and collected their fingers as trophies. the tribunal will decide whether army specialist jeremy morlock's case proceeds to court-martial. morlock is charged with premeditated murder in the deaths of three afghan civilians, assaulting a fellow soldier and wrofully photograph in and possessing visual images of human casualties. morlock and other soldiers allegedly took photos posing with the dead afghan civilians. in may, morlock spoke to investigators and reportedly
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made a number of statements implicating him and four other soldiers. morlock's attorney says now the statements should be discounted because morlock talked while under the influence of up to 10 prescription drugs. the trails of morlock and other older soldiers will likely be the most high-profile prosecutions of u.s. war crimes to result from the nearly 9- year-old conflict in afghanistan. the associated press has revealed that army records show no iraqi prisoners tortured at abu ghraib prison ever received compensation from the united states, despite promises by former defense secretary donald rooms filled. in 2004, he told congress that he had found a legal way to compensate iraqi prisoners who were abused. he said -- six years from a record of payment exists in the army cannot verify whether any such payments were made informally to
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iraqi news. the news comes as the supreme court is expected to decide this week whether to hear a lawsuit filed by former prisoners against to the private companies -- two private companies. on saturday, president and used his weekly radio address to criticize the republican party's pledge to america manifesto. he accused republicans of wanting to put special interests back in the driver's seat and washinon. >> now the republicans who want to take over congress offer their own ideas the other day. many were the very same policies that led to the economic crisis in the first place, which is not surprising since many of the leaders were among the architects of that failed policy. it is grounded in the same one of philosophy, cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires, cut the rolls for wall street and the special interests, and cut the middle class boost to fend for itself. that is not a prescription for a better future, it isn't echo of
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a disastrous decade we cannot afford to live. >> the former adviser karl rove is planned a leading role in building what amounts to a shadow republican party, a network of donors and operatives that is among the most aggressive in the republican effort to capture control of the house and senate. with help from former white house counselor ed gillespie, karl rove has started the group called american crossroads and crossroads grass-roots policy strategies, which are spending millions of dollars on ads boosting republicans and some of the most closely contested senate rac. ameran cross planning a barrage of anti-american crossroads is planning a barrage of into democratic attack ads that will be run tens of thousands of times, final get- out-the-vote push with some 40 million negative mail pieces and 20 million automated phone calls. jewish settlers in the occupied west bank resumed building work earlier today, a day after a 10- month long moratorium on settlement construction ended. in the west and settlement of
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oranit, bulldozers have begun preparing the grounds for more new homes. palestinian president abbas has threat to quit the direct peace negotiations unless the moratorium was extended. many israeli lawmakers called for the construction of more settlements despite the threat. >> we will start building as in the past. we hope tomorrow morning we will see more and more and more new buildings to close the gap that was opened in the past 10 months to freeze -- the freeze was in power over the settlements and to build everything that is needed for the people living here. >> these are the group peace now said israel is prepared to build thousands of more homes in the occupied west bank. >> according to our information,
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there are 13,000 housing units that have been in approval and can be built without new approval of the government, but we think in the next few weeks we will s construction of 2500 housing units immediately. so the other 11,000, which will take some time until the sellers will take advantage of these plans-the settlers will take advantage of these plans. >> the international atomic energy agency has narrowly rejected a resolution calling on israel to join the nuclear non- proliferation treaty. arab states were pushing for the resolution in an attempt to pull it out -- pull all of israel's nuclear facilities under the oversight of theaea. a group of jewish activists have set sail for gaza in an effort to defy the israeli sea blockade. the group said they were taking a symbolic load of medicine, a water purifying kit and other
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humanitarian aid. activists on board include 82- for a holocaust survivor and a former israeli air force pilot. >> israel's propaganda is always self-defense, trying to be the victim. this is what i received as a child all the way throughout growing until i went to the army to fight in order to be this dictum to protect himself. >> in haiti, at least five people have died after an unsuspected storm swept through port-au-prince on friday, destroying tents were over a million survivors of january's earthquake still live. residents and more money is still needed to help the recovery efforts from the devastating earthquake. >> the main thing we need for this country is to help the people to have a chance to live. we're spilling -- spending billions and billions of dollars where many are taking the money
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put up 75% of the money is going outside and the people are still in this condition. >> in australia, climate change activists from the group rising tide shut down operations of the world's largest coal port on sunday. activists into the port's three terminals and attached themselves to loaders. scores of students at harvard university held a protest saturday condemning the school's decision to honor the editor of the new republic magazine. students held signs with some of his own recent anti muslim remarks and then followed him out of the auditorium. he recently wrote "muslim life is cheap, especially to other muslims." he also wrote the muslim americans are not "worthy of first met rights." -- "worthy of first amendment rights scrim stephen colbert testified friday and agricultural businesses.
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he recently took up a dare from the united farm workers union to live the life of a farmworker. he lasted one day on the job. >> i like talking about people who do not have any power and this seems like one of the least powerful people in the united states are my co-workers to come and do our work, but do not have any rights as a result. yet we still invite them to come here and at the same time as the into the. that is an interesting contradiction to me. these seem like the least of our brothers right now. a lot of people are least brothers because of the economy, and i do not want to take anyone's heart chip away from them, but margaret workers suffered -- migrant workers suffer and have no rights. >> those are some of the headlines. this is "democracy now!," democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodn. anti-war activists are gearing
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up for protests outside fbi offices in cities across the state-country today and tried to the fbi raided eight homes and offices of anti-war activists in chicago and minneapolis on friday. the fbi's search warrants indicate agents were looking for connections between local anti- war activists and groups in colombia and the middle east. eight people were issued subpoenas to appear before a federal grand jury in chicago. most of the people whose homes were searched or were issued subpoenas had helped organize or attended protests at the republican national convention in st. paul, minnesota two years ago. the federal law cited in the search warrants prohibits -- in june, the supreme court rejected a free-speech challenge to the material support law from humanitarian aid groups that said some of its provisions put them at risk of being prosecuted for talking to terrorist organizations about nonviolent activities. some of the groups listed by
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name are hezbollah, the popular front liberation of palestine and farc. the warrants also authorized agents to seize items such as electronics, photographs, videos, address books and letts. friday's raids come on the heels of a justice department probe that found the fbi improperly monitored activist groups and individuals between 2001 and 2006. for more, i am joined by three guests. joining us from minneapolis is longtime anti-war activist jess sundin whose home was raided by the fbi early friday morning. she is a member of the into work committee whose offices were also raided. joining us through videostream from chicago is joe isobaer, whe home was one of two traded in chicago friday. he is an employee of the university of illinois in chicago and a steward for the seiu local 73 and helped coordinate buses from chicago to the protests of the republican
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national convention in 2008. also in minneapolis, we're joined by former of the special agent and whistleblower coleen rowley. she was named woman of the year, a person of the year in 2002 by "time." let's begin in minneapolis with jess sundin. tell us what ppen. friday morning, i awoke to a bang at the door. by the time i was downstairs, there were six or seven agents already in my home where my partner and 6-year-old daughter had already been awake. we were giving -- given the search warrant and they went to the entire house, spent probably about four hours going to our personal belongings, every book, paper, close ,clothes. they filled several boxes and crates with our computers,
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phones, my passport. when they wereon d they had many crates full of my personal belongings with which they left my house. >> we the only one there that morning? >> no, my partner and my first grade daughter were also there. >> what exactly did they show you to get inside? >> well, we have a porch or you cannot see exactly who is outside. they had already let themselves into the porch of the time my wife open the door pill when they came inside, they showed us this four-page document that listed all the kinds of things they were entitled to search for in my home as well as a subpoena.
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mine and was listed on the search warrant, the both myself and my partner received subpoenas for the grand jury in chicago. >> let's go to chicago, to joe isobaer. describe what happened to you on friday morning. >> the exact same story. it was a nationally coordinated assault on all of these homes. 7:00 in the morning, the pound on the door. i was getting ready for work, came down the stairs and there were -- i think in the area of 10 agents identifying themselves as fbi, showed me the search warrant. i turned my wife and said, stephanie, it is the "thought" police. >> and they came inside?
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>> they came inside. they proceeded to set up their operation in our living room and proceeded to photograph every room in our house. over the next 30 or 45 minutes, they proceeded to label every room and systematically go through every room, basement, .ttic, our children's rooms they pored through not just our papers, and that our music collection, our children's artwork, my sons poetry journals from high school -- everything. >> were they explain to you what they were doing as theyere reading your house? > r?
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your house? >> some of the officers were telling us what they were doing, but most of them are not. they gave us some explanation of. >> what exactly did they say to you? >> all they said in terms of the content of what you're looking for is that they showed us the search warrant and my wife and i were both given a subpoena as well. >> what organizations are you involved with, joe isobaer? what do you think they're looking for? >> as you said at the start, i may trade unionists primarily and that is how most people know me. i am also the staff adviser at uic for the students for democratic society chapter. >> that is the university of illinois at chicago. >> correct. i ve been a political activist
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for 33 years, so i have been a member of a lot of organizations and campaigns. >> coleen rowley, you are a former fbi agent, was a blur coming and "time" person of the year in 2002. -- former was a blur andtime" person of the year in 2002. put in the context is interesting department and general -- interesting inspector general report, the surveillance of activists over the last almost a decade. >> i cannot really detail all of the factors that have changed since 9/11, but there has been a change. for instance, when i taught constitutional rights in the fbi, one of the main to priorities was first amendment rights. while this is not the first time that you have seen this
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orwellian term of the war on terror on to domestic peace groups and social justice groups, actually, we had that began very quickly after 9/11, and there were legal opinions, office of legal counsel opinions that said the first amendment no longer controls the war on terror. but even so, this is shocking and alarming that at this point, we have the humanitarian advocacy now being treated as somehow material support to terrorists. we have also just seen, ironically, four days before the national rate, we saw the department of justice inspector general issue a report that sally criticized the fbi for four years of targeting domestic groups such as greenpeace, the thomas center in pittsburgh, different antiwar rallies, even
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involving finding that the fbi director had given them a falsehood to congress as to the justification for the fbi to monitor a peace group. >> what about what has happened in iowa, coleen rowley? >> that is another instance. that was after the scope of the ig investigation, which only went to 2006. there have been requests for thatg to go further. in 2008, we found out through a freedom of and permission request that there are 300 pages i think of four or five or six agents trailing a group of students in iowa city to parks, libraries, bars, restaurants -- they even went through their trash. this is another reason why peace groups and certainly law professors have to be very
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concerned now about this misinterpretation that says advocacy for human-rights -- i just have to mention of a famous minnesota and who wrote "3 cups of tea." he sets up schools in pakistan and afghanistan. obviously, people like him and jimmy carter are even at peril given this wide discretion now to say that anyone who works in a foreign country, even for peace are humanitarian or anti torture purposes, could somehow run afoul of the patriot act. >> the church committee in the 1970's really blew the lid open on cia spying at home and also guidelines, regulations were passed afterwards. how do they apply to day when americans are being infiltrated, spied on at home?
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>> that is another one of the factors beside the supreme court ruling. right after 9/11, the attorney general began to erode those guidelines. he basically said that fbi agents could go into mosques and places like that to monitor, so that was the beginning. almost the last official act that bush did in 2008 was that he totally erased those prior ag guidelines. there's really no need to even show factual justification now. the presumption is entirely reversed. basically, the fbi need only say they were not targetting a group solely based on the exercise of first amendment rights sohe presumption really did a complete flip-flop. that is why you see these various scandals coming out. it should be no surprise that there is no restraints, the
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green light is on, that you see -- i sympathize a little with the fbi. i used to train these agents and i can understand the enormous pressure they are under. this is why it is so incredibly important to get the word to the officials who are in charge of using their discretion that they should use their discretion to look for real terrosts instead of to go after peace groups. >> jess sundin, what are your plans now? i saw online the video of your massive emergency meeting over the weekend. many people came out for this, rallying around. also talked about the rnc 8, the eight people who were printed the arrested in the lead up to the republican convention all charged on terror counts, all of those which have been dropped now could but it was a very frightening time. what are your plans now? >> as you mentioned in the twin cities we had a meeting the
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night the raid happened, more than two other people who gathered in really every organization in the twin cities. i was a callous organizations across the country have contacted us-i was a callous organizations across the country have contacted us of how to help. there will be demonstrations in at least 20 cities around the country. we had word of plans for a demonstration at embassies and other countries as well. one thing we're trying to do is call attention to what has happened and really make it clear to people that we have done nothing wrong, there is no basis to the claim we have in any way given support to terrorist organizations. in fact, we are being -- the attention is on us because up our work in the anti-war movement in particular, hours -- our perspective.
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foowing up on these demonstrations, we will be pulling together a network of people from many of these organizations that have expressed concern, folks who went to get tied into the confined to the antiwar committee website which is very outdated. we are trying to update it our very best all of our computers were seized. we're doing a lot of catch up, trying to get ourselves organized. we're very concerned with making illegal plans to protect ourselves. a mber of people have been call before a grand juryn chicago. we do not want to be a case to be framed around us -- we do not won a case to be framed around as. all of us are confident that nothing found in our homes will give substantiation against us. there are no charges. we want to protect ourselves legally while the same time
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working with the movement to call attention to what has happened. >> joe isoba, i would ask about the other house that was rated the and just looking at a peace where documents and computers were taken from the executive director of the arab american action network pit of his attorney said the government is trying to quiet activists from the case of is really is scary. he's an american citizen. can you talk about your work on israel-palestine, and who this man is? >> i have to talk about my wife's work who is a longtime solidarity activist and the palestine solidarity movement. she was also subpoenaed.
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everyone in the anti-war movement really in chicago knows -- if you look back on line and video of the protests here of thousands of people marching when israel a salted gaza two years ago -- assault in gaza two years ago, half of them were thscene at the rallies. the arab network was the first two center funded by the late 1960's and early 1970's. it is the most prominent palestinian activist in the city of chicago. it is no surprise they targeted him. >> and you are organizing, joe isobaker, a run columbia. in a moment we will be joined by ingrid betancourt who was held
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captive for more than six years. but what about your work around columbia since it seems israel- palestine and colombia were major focuses of the fbi raid? >> i think i should defer that question to jess sundin who has much more experience in colombia solidarity work. jess sundin in minneapolis. >> the anti-war movement has long been concerned with places that the u.s. funds wars abroad and as a major civil war unfolding in colombia and the third largest recipient of u.s. military aid, so columbia is very much an issue for the anti- war movement. i have travel to colombia and understand that it is the most dangerous place to be a trade unionists. anyone involved in theocial movement there in fact is viewed by the government and the
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paramilitary death squad as a rebel and treated as such. i know the investigation is very interested in travel. i have traveled to colombia and tried to establish some sort of organizational ties, which there are not, but that said, i do support the colombian struggle and have been very involved in that. >> coleen rowley, how do civil rights compare, what you're seeing today under the obama administration, to president bush, someone you certainly blew the whistle on? >> i cannot talk for another couple of hours because that is how long it would take me. i urge the fbi from early on, even wrote a chapter. unfortunately, these warnings have just been largely ignored,
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even the 9/11 commission focused three of their recommendations out of 41 on creating a privacy and civil liberties oversight board. bush pulled the rug from under that early on. obama, two years later, has never appointed any people come in the of the five seats to that board, which is just incredible and light of what has gone on coming to an revelations of warrantless monitoring and torture. what people need to do is basically ask for more than just ang investigation, but ask for congress to actually take on something like a new church committee. that has been asked for. i think barbara lee actually had a proposal a year ago for something like that. we should all contact our elected representatives and as for congress to take on greater oversight of what is going on.
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>> we will certainly continue to follow this case as it unfolds. thank you, coleen rowley form fbi agentnd istleblower, jess sundin joe isobaker joe, thank you for being with us. -- jess sundin and joe isobaker, thank you for being with us. we will continue to follow both of these cases. coming up after the break, we will be joined by ingrid betancourt, the former colombian presidential candidate who was taken hostage by the farc and held for more than six years ago she has just written her memoir. stay with us. ♪ [music break]
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>> this is "democracy now!," democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we are broadcasting on close to 900 stations. video and audio podcasts are avaible and democracynow.org along with the headlines which are also available in spanish for any radio station to take witwhich over 250 are. we turn now to colombia. last to come and massive operation conducted by the colombian military targeted a large cacaf gu ll belonging to the revolutionary armed forces of colombia or farc, killing a commander and secretariat member named briceÑo, also known by the nickname mono jojoy.
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juan manuel santos said it was the most resounding blow against the farc and its entire history. i am joined by a woman who spent more than six years in captivity in the colombian jungle allegedly because of an order by mono jojoy. ingrid betancourt was raised in france and returned to her native colombia in 1989 and ran for president on an incremental an anti-corruption platform as a candidate for a formation called green oxygen in 2002. while campaigning, she traveled to remote village where then- president pastrana had ordered a rebel safe haven to be dismantled after failed peace talks. she was kidnapped by farc rebels and held hostage in rebel camps in the middle of the jungle for nearly six and half years before she was freed in a dramatic military rescue in july of 2008. today, ingrid betancourt is somewhat of a controversial figure in colombia. in july, she sued the colombian state for 6 $20 million in damages, saying the took her
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bodyguards away just as she was about to drive into an area filled with guerillas. but the move angered many colombians and she later withdrew her suit amid criticism that colombian military forces risked their lives to save her. well, ingrid betancourt has just published a harrowing account of her time as a hostage of farc. the abuse she endured and her numerous unsuccessful attempts to escape. it is called "even silence has an end: my six years of captivity in the colombian jungle." ingrid betancourt joins us here in new york. welcome to "democracy now!" your response to the killing of mono jojoy, the farc who allegedly it was his orders that to kill hostage? >> yes, i think he was the one who invented the kidnapping of civilians to trade them for prisoners, guerrillas -- guerrillas and the prison's.
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also, my abduction was so long because of his participation. he did not wanus to be free. he considered as trophies that they needed to keep in order to have more exposure and the international scene. >> you had met him before your taken hostage? you were a legislator in colombia. you are running for president. so you knew him. >> yes, i met him once before my abduction. i went to the zone of the military, the government had given to the farc in order to incentive pay their participation in a peace process. i was talking to the commander of the farc. mono jojoy was there with the other members. i was talking to juan manuel santos, explaining to him reforms that i thought were
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important to have a better democracy in colombia. mono jojoy ken in and said, i do not know how you're talking to these politicians, you're losing your time. what we need to do is adopt them and trade them for our prisoners. abduct them and trade them for our prisoners. i said, really, that is your intentions? he had a move like, don't pay attention. time proved that he did what he wanted to do and he objected many of us. there were like 20 politicians anhundreds of policemen that are prisoners. >> describe what happened that day in 2002.
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describe the trips were taken, what your intentions were. your at the end of the presidential campaign and just come from your father and the hospital who was very, very ill, so you did not have much time and had a lot of campaigning to do. why did you go to this area? >> the first reason is because the peace talks had ended. the people in the area were frightened that because they had been living with the guerrillas in a way, after the peace cross, there could be retaliation, especially from the paramilitary and they thought they could be killed. and ask me to be a shield, to show the world they were frightened. there is a person of my party and i felt committed -- if he asked to go, i felt committed to do so. >> he was the only mayor.
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>> yes, the only one we had elected. that day i was flying a because the airport was closed and so we had planned a trip by the road and we had -- it had been confirmed we would have escorts of an armored vehicle. when i was going to take the road, my escorts came to me to tell me they had received the order to not go with me. that they were prohibited. >> were these colombian military that had been approved? >> yes. as a presidential candidate, the constitution giving the possibility and security of being with an escort because colombia at the time and still now is a dangerous country, especially for politics. so i would have them. it was a constitutional right.
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andnce i was ready go, probably because the president was going to go, too, i don't know, but my belief is perhaps he thought having the at the same time as he was going to be there could just make a shadow or disrupt what he wanted to say. whatever the reason was, he gave the order to not allow my escorts to come with me, my body guards. then i was confronting the position because i thought to myself, okay, if he takes my bodyguards away and i do not go, every time -- bunning -- >> every time he does now to go somewhere, he will -- >> take my campaigns away, telling me where i can go and where it cannot go. so i thought it was a very bad
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precedent for our democracy. that is why and when, it was principal for me. >> you had two options. you could ha gone on the plans were you wanted to go or just continue with your security guards over land from which he would not allow either. >> yes, he did not allow either. when i was abducted, heold a different story. i could not respond because i was abducted. people thought the first version was the true version, which was not. they said they cannot take me in the helicopters because i was on a campaign. it is contradicted cause i did not ask for those helicopters to take me because i had my plan to go by road. they can meet an official vehicle to go by road. that is a contradiction. then they said they had warned me. that is a lie. the thing is, if they had warned
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me, as they told me, it was so they stop why didn't me? there was a checkpoint, a military checkpoint i went through. the guys let me through like that would let through everybody. it was normal traffic. i remember buses and taxis and motorcycles and civilian vehicles going through. i mean, i think the problem was because they withdrew mine security, they thought they were going to be held responsible for my abduction. for me, it is very clear the only one responsible for my objection are the guerrillas, the farc. what i do no like for them is to say it was my fault if i was abducted, because it was not. >> describe what happened. >> i pass the checkpoint. i remember -- this was a road
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ahead than 100 times. i spoke with the owner come a woman and asked about the situation. she said it was calm. so glad the guerrillas had left. with the government was saying to everybody was after the peace talks had ended, they have the control of the zone again and the farc had disappeared. this woman confirmed the guerrillas were gone. so i was very confident. we arrived at a breach which had a problem which had occurred many times. i was used to that happening. we had to go under the bridge. it was a creek. once we arrived to the other side, a side we could not see
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from the previous side, i saw armed men in camouflage uniforms. i could not really know if there were military army guys or if there were guerrillas. the only thing i could say to make the difference was to check thboots. if there rubber, it was careless. if there were leather, they were the army. it was rubber boots, so i knew it was the farc. then they stopped our car and asked if it was may come if i was ingrid betancourt. i said yes. they asked us to do the to a dirt road. -- to deviate to a dirt road and then i was abducted. when we come back, i want you to read from "even silence has an en my six years of captivity
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theolombian jungle." our guest is ingrid betancourt who spent more than 6.5 years in the jungle, a captive of the farc guerrillas. stay with us. ♪ [music break]
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>> from pacifica, this is "democracy now!" >> this is "democracy now!," democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. a guest is ingrid betancourt who wrote "even silence has an end: my six years of captivity in the colombian jungle." there was a video taken in the about half a year before you were ultimately released. can you read from your book? this is your state of mind. who did the video? >> when i was liberated, the commander wanted proof of life that i did not want to give because for six months i had been very ill and the farc had denied any medication and harry kamen said, say hello to your mom, you look so well.
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-- he came and said, you look so well, say hello to your mom. it was very humiliating. "i would have no part of their many pretends. my family was suffering eugh. my children had grown up in anxiety and had reached adulthood change, as i was coming to uncertainty. i had made my peace with god. i felt there was a sort of in my suffering because i had accepted what had happened to me. i hated enrique but i knew i could let go and not he hi anyme if wanted. when he had looked at me and said, you know i can get this proof of life no matter what, he had already lost.
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i almost felt sorry for him. of course he could get it, but he did not interest me anymore. there lay my victory. he no longer had a hold on me because i had already accepted that i could die. entire life i havbelieved i was internal. mike eternity had stopped here in the presence of imminent death that filled me with the peace of mind that i savored. and no longer needed anything. there was nothing i desired. my soul was tricked there. i was no longer afraid of enrique. having lost all my freedom and with it, everything that mattered to me -- i children, my mom, my life and my dreams --
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with my neck chained to a tree, not able to move around, to talk come to eat and to drink, to carry out my most basic bodily needs, subjected to constant humiliations', i still had the most important freedom of all. no one could take it away from me, that was the freedom to choose whatind of person i wanted to be." >> ingrid betancourt, reading from "even silence has an end: my six years of captivity in the colombian jungle." it is her memoir of being held hostage for more than six years in the colombian jungle. how did you stay alive? you tried unsuccessfully a number of times to escape. they had you on a leash, put your neck and your ankle. >> i think that's we'll have --
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i think we all have in ourselves this kind of animal instinct to survive no matter what. but for me, it was also god, faith, the love of my children that i wanted to give back, my companions that were with me like my fellow hostages that were with their fraternity, their love, solidarity were pushing me up. and i think it was also a mmitment not to give up, a force inside all of us to just stay alive. >> you mention the fellow hostages. at the same time your book has come out, and three american contractors have come out with a book and criticized you.
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i was struck by one of the stories from them and how you deal with it different. it is e issue of the radios. the guerrillas demanded they all be taken away coming your lifeline to the outside world. >> yes, because that was the way we would hear messages from our family. it was the only way to know what was happening in the world. for me, it was everything. >> your mother would speak to you on the radio and your children -- >> every day. >> on a radio show? >> on a radio show. >> so you decided -- your th only one to say t hide it. at first the attack to and said how dare you get is all in trouble. but then they relied on your broken-down radio. cracks at the very core of the problem with the radio was once they realized i had managed to hide mine, they blackmailed me
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and asked me to give them my radio. i was saying, wait a second. i am not going to give away my radio because i want to listen to these messages. we can share it. but if we share it, it has to be a risk we all share. they wanted me to bear the guilt if we were discovered, but they wanted -- >> the responsibility. >> yes. then they said but if you do not give us the radio, we will tell the guerrillas you have it and give you up. that was the reason of the rub between us. >> i was surprised they did not keep them there cells, -- did not keep it themselves. together.e're here
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the incredible thing of the story is by talking and negotiating, and we came up to the good solution which was let's share responsibility and share the radio. >> i mentioned at the beginning or lawsuit that has been very controversial in colombia, your description of what happened to you, how your stripp of your security -- how you were stripped of your security, that issue -- of course you were abducted and held by the farc which is not a question, but you feel the government has responsibility here. >> well, i think there was an error in the service. i do not kn how much this becomes the responsibility because of course i do not think they could for c i was going to
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be attacked. nobody could. but the thing is, when asked for compensation for my abducttion as a victim of terrorism, which is a law we have in colombia and canals for compensation and in happens all over the world, the incredible thing was how the government reacted and how they manipulated the information. they said ingrid is attacking in court the soldiers that released her. there was no link between my action, which is asking as a victim of compensation, and my soldiers that i love. and because of that, the wait was presented. reacted in a very harsh and unjust way. they said i was trying to get
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money from my objection, like use that to have money. but taking the from the government. amy, you know, i could have the money or 10 times more and i would not accept it to go back to the jungle. i was deprived of my children's adolescence. i was not there to call my father's hand when he died. so it had been difficult for me to accept the reaction in colombia because i feel was very unfair. i feel it shows how cynical we have become in colombia, that we just forget the suffering of victims. not only need -- i mean, every time there's something happening columbia, if a woman is raped they say she was too
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provocative, i mean, w always transform the victim into a criminal. >> and others have sued, but you felt you needed to withdraw? >> others, my companions asked for compensation. i hope there will be compensated. i withdrew because i want to have my piece, my serenity. >> we just have a moment ago. that day in 2008 when your rescue, you did not realize it was the colombian military? you thought your just been transferred again? >> yes, because they did it so well that they also made us think that they were working with the guerrillas, that they were coming in fact, guerrillas disguised in some kind of humanitarian commission. >> they came in white plains. >> yes. >> the controversial use of the
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icrc symbol? >> i think i was too much into my own thoughts and i do not remember that. i know they have shown things on camera. i do not remember that. i remember a dove and a blue background and i thought it was fake. i thought this was like the dove soap dove, so i thought it was just a pretending thing. >> when did you realize you were being freed? >> when i was in the helicopter. it came to a point were suddenly, they moved and neutralized two guerrilla commanders that had me on the helicopter with us. enrique was the one who was videotaping my proof of survival and he --
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>> we have five seconds. >> i thought, this is incredible. the leader of the group shouted, this is the colombian army, you are free. >> we will leave it there but bring part 2. bring part 2.